Pulpit Pundits Seek to Destroy Traditional Christian Subculture

There is a lot of interest and discussion at a couple of my favorite Okie-related blogs on religion, primarily targeted at condemning and criticizing the so-called Christian-right for being so political instead of staying at home in your "home-based church" keeping your mouth shut and opinions to yourselves regarding politics... unless you lean left of course.

Oklahoma, like most states, has had a sudden rise in left-leaning Christian liberal Churches since the 2000 and 2004 election victories for George W Bush were attributed to the Christian-right. I have done several posts on Oklahoma's Pulpit Pundit Robin Meyers and others who all preach separation of state and church from the pulpit while preaching Democrat talking points and anti-Republican rhetoric from the pulpit in the same breath.

Keith Giles is a home-church planter in California.
He is also a writer, artist, and very prolific blogger with a half dozen or so sites.
His self described mission in life as a "Christian" is to destroy the existing Christian subculture.
From one of his many blogsites Subversive-1: "What is Subversive? It’s a systematic overthrow of one system or power by those working from within."

He supports "reducing abortions" by making them more available, supports gay marriage by telling Christians we shouldn't oppose it... or oppose anything else for that matter... except the war in Iraq of course.

To Giles, the liberation of millions of innocent Iraqi's is termed "killing innocent people" and fighting back on any level is out of the question... unless a Democrat is in power of course.

He has nothing but contempt for the traditional Christian church preaching instead his own brand of tolerance for all things... except the conservative Christian right of course.

"Destroying the Christian subculture from within".... hmmm where have we heard of this before?

At least Giles is honest in that regard.

ScripturesforAmerica.org
"It is the proclaimed aim of world Communism and its traitors within the ranks of Christendom, to demoralize the Christian world, and thus destroy all opposition to communism. "

From Time Magazine-

When the Communists took over Czechoslovakia in 1948, Dr. Joseph Hromadka, dean of the Jan Comenius Theological Faculty in Prague, was one of the few Christian leaders to cooperate with them. Since then, he has become one of Europe's rare spokesmen for the view that Christianity can get along under Communist regimes.

How does it work in Czechoslovakia? The Christian Century interviewed Dr. Hromadka during the international Protestant conferences at Lund, Sweden (TIME, Sept. 1), last week reported, in third-person paraphrase, Hromadka's answers to the question, as checked and approved by Hromadka himself. Excerpts:

Cooperation with the Communists: "When Hromadka declared [his] attitude . . . many of his colleagues in the Czech church considered it a false step. Some even questioned his integrity . . . But now most of this has changed. There are still those who disagree, but they do not question his integrity—only his judgment. An increasing number of the younger students have come to take this position."

Policy as a Czech Christian: "There are not many choices ... If one will not work with the regime in its endeavor to reshape the old economic order, and tries to undermine it, one follows a path which can only lead to anarchy and ugly reaction . . ."

The Religion of Marxists: "Religion, of course, they consider an ideology and an opiate. In all this there is much with which Hromadka believes Christians would have to agree ... We must confess that [religion] has often been an opiate, that it has carried along much of superstition and legend, that it has been made a tool of exploitation."

A Substitute Faith: "It is really quite surprising to see how much the practice as well as the theory of Marxism presents a secularized form of Christianity . . . the quality of regret for deviations approaches genuine penitence."

Marxist Morality: "There are no moral absolutes for the Marxist, either in history or over history. Good and bad are always relative to concrete and changing situations. Now there is much truth in this for Christians. They cannot face all situations with premeditated norms or moral conventions. The saints have often done astonishing things."

Indoctrination: "In the elementary and secondary schools there is no systematic indoctrination in Marxism, although, of course, the teachers have it always in mind. On the university level it must be taught, and the Prague theological faculty is the only higher school which is free to teach another philosophy than Marxism. There are difficulties, of course, and some minor officials and minor party members are more suspicious and intolerant than others. But there has been nothing like forced confessions."

Relations with World Protestantism: "It was very encouraging to Hromadka . . . that he was permitted to come to Lund, which had not seemed at all a high probability. Nobody told 'him what to say, or even asked him what he intended to say . .' ."

The Impact of Communism on Theology: "This is our terribly difficult task. We cannot hide from this remorseless analysis of Christianity; we must confess how much has been hollow and unreal or worse. And we search passionately for that center and foundation of our faith which is invulnerable to attack."