Friday, August 17, 2007

I Say God or I say Allah, Tomayto, Tomahto?


Are you ready for this one?
A Dutch Catholic Bishop in the Netherlands suggests referring to God as "Allah", saying "Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will call God 'Allah'?" Bishop Martinus Petrus Maria Muskens asked in an interview on Dutch TV this week. "God doesn't care what we call him."

Needless to say, this has Catholics and Muslims upset, but the "good" Bishop has ruffled some feathers before when he suggested condoms as a cure for AIDS.
(not a bad idea, ...but in conflict with church doctrine on several levels)

Liberals should LOVE this God is Allah thing though... ahhhhhh, if we could all just call our God by anyname we choose or even make up a new name for God to represent no God at all and words mean nothing, and we all just got along with each other in peace... ahhhhh.

There is one tiny little flaw in the Bishop's idea. The Islamofascists would be the first to kill him...

in the name of Allah of course.

UPDATE: 08/20/07 This pretty much says it all... Is Allah the God of the Bible? and Here is an excellent piece on this subject.... and another which refutes claims that Allah and God are the same...this from an Arab Christian blog... and this from truthwatch or this from an archaeological perspective on Muslim claims that God is Allah.

Sorry folks, Allah cannot be the father of Jesus, since "it" is neither male nor female and it has no children. But if it (Allah) did have children, they wouldn't be Jewish... that's for sure...yikes can you imagine the scandal? It would take the wind out of the entire Islamic movement for the extermination of Israel. Is the Islamic goal to exterminate the Jews just a big cover-up to hide this?
Headlines: ALLAH'S LOVE CHILD IS A JEW ?
Probably not...
Now I don't claim to be an expert on Christianity or religion, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express once... and as far as I can tell,
Allah by its' own singular definition of itself cannot also be The God of the Holy Bible known in three persons as The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit... as well the definitions of Allah are in direct conflict with Christian belief that Jesus Christ (a Jew) is indeed the son of God and arose from the dead as one of only two possible paths to salvation and Gods grace. (hint: neither path involves blowing yourself up or eliminating God's "chosen people")

"God" from the Holy Bible and Allah from the Qur'an are more opposite and in direct conflict than the same, if anything.
-red

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8 Comments:

Blogger Dave said...

You do realize that the Jews’ Yahweh, the Christians’ God, and the Muslims’ Allah all refer to the same deity, right?

9:05 AM  
Blogger Redstater said...

Sorry Dave, You do realize that they are not the same? Right?

You see Dave, (from www.letusreason.org/islam6.htm)
To a Muslim the God of the Bible who is described as triune is offensive and pagan, reminding them of what Mohammed destroyed. This is recorded in their Qu'ran. They interpret this as 3 separate Gods and not a unified one. � They are unbelievers who say God is a third of three. No God is there but one God.� While Muslims affirm Jesus' virgin conception, they deny He had any pre-existence that would imply He is God. To call a prophet God is the ultimate in blasphemy to them. � Verily God will not forgive the union of other gods with himself.� This is a true statement; however if Jesus is who He said He is, the true God, then it is they who are in union with another than the true God.

Muslims claim that the name Allah can be found in the Bible. This is no different than what the Jehovah's Witnesses do for the name Jehovah. Allah is not called Yahweh once in the Koran but neither is Yahweh called Allah in the Bible. So they can't be the same God. Neither is the word Elohim which is applied to Yahweh over 2,500 times in the Bible used in the Koran. Neither is he called I Am, which He said to Moses would be His name forever.

The God of the Bible identifies himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jacobs name is later changed to the name Israel, being the father of the 12 tribes of Israel. The God of the Bible calls Jerusalem the city of David and that the Messiah would descend from his lineage. Neither does the God of the Bible does not mention Mecca or Medina but instead Jerusalem 800 times. Yet Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Koran, which the Muslim claims as there own.

The God in the Bible is called the God of the Jews, an impossibility with Allah. They are called his chosen people, but they are not Allah's chosen. Allah commands the Muslim to not take the Jews or Christians as friends, Sura.5:51 disdains the Jews. Mohammed said, �The last hour will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them.� (Mishkat Al Masabih Sh.M. Ashraf pp.147, 721, 810-11, 1130). So how could Israel inherit the land or any of God's promises from Allah, if he is their God. Clearly he is not the same God of the Bible

10:46 AM  
Blogger Redstater said...

CONCLUSION: (from biblebelievers.org/moongod

The pagan Arabs worshipped the Moon-god Allah by praying toward Mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to Mecca; running around the temple of the Moon-god called the Kabah; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the Moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon; giving alms to the poor, etc.

The Muslim's claim that Allah is the God of the Bible and that Islam arose from the religion of the prophets and apostles is refuted by solid, overwhelming archeological evidence. Islam is nothing more than a revival of the ancient Moon-god cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the Moon-god. As such, it is sheer idolatry and must be rejected by all those who follow the Torah and Gospel. moongod.htm

11:11 AM  
Blogger Dave said...

I don't have the book with me to quote but anthropologically at least, the God of Islam is the same as the God of Christianity and Judaism. The word Allah is simply Arabic for God. Islam was started by Muhammad and based on visions (for lack of a better term) that he received from God. In one such vision, Muhammad ascended into heaven and on the way up, he past God's previous prophets Abraham, Moses, and Jesus.

The way that Muslims interpret God in many cases is very different than Christians or Jews but that does not change the anthropological fact that all three worship the same deity.

12:29 AM  
Blogger Redstater said...

lol, oh my God... (not Allah, the other one)

I added an update to the post, you should go back and read the links i added.... far too much evidence to address here in the comments in one post.

Not the same, dave... not even close. If one called satan God, would that make him the same God?
Of course not.

In a nutshell...
Allah has no children and is of neither sex...and originates from an Arab pagan moongod (idol). Exists only as one, but has 99 names.

If you believe the Bible, God made man in his image, then made woman from that man... God had a son, thus Jesus IS God, just as the holy spirit is God... (Father Son,...)
That cannot fit with Allah and cannot be the same... "deity".

Since they cannot be the same and each is proclaimed to be the one and only true... then one is a false God.

If you read about Allah and can still twist "it" to be the same as God... then God bless ya'.
(not allah, the Other One.

lmao...
-red

9:05 AM  
Blogger Otter said...

Ok Red, I posted this same response on my blog as well as here.

"Allah" is NOT, I repeat NOT the same god that I, as a Christian, worship. Nor is he the same god that the Jews worship.

If one has ever done ANY research into the Islam religion at all, they would know that before the inception of Islam, the Arabian world was highly polytheistic (worshipped many gods for those with a reduced vocabulary). One of the gods that they worshipped was called "Allah." He was their moon god.

When Mohammed was trying to unify the Arab people, they at first did not want to go along with him because he advocated the worship of only one god. However, when he picked "Allah" the moon god to be the "one" god to worship, they began to go along with him. This is due to the fact that at the time of Mohammed, "Allah" (the moon god) was the most popular god.

The fact that the symbol for Islam is a crescent MOON helps attest to this fact.

So, once again, I do not worship Allah. I worship God. Allah is NOT god. Those that say otherwise might as well say Odin is God.

And there you have it.

4:01 PM  
Blogger Dave said...

I apologize but I disagree.

11:26 PM  
Blogger Redstater said...

If you disagree, then no apology is necessary... at least not to us humans.

but thanks for your opinion and comments.

8:07 AM  

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