Friday, June 12, 2009

The Church of Latter Day Leftists

By Jacob Laksin at Orthodoxy Today-

No sooner was George W. Bush declared the winner of a hard-fought presidential election than National Council of Churches General Secretary, Rev. Robert Edgar, proffered the following counsel: "This election confirmed that we are a divided nation, not only politically but in terms of our interpretations of God's will."

To understand this, one need only consider the NCC's history.

Founded in 1950, the New York City-based NCC has, for more than half a century, remained faithful to the legacy of its forerunner, the Communist front-group known as the Federal Council of Churches. At one time an unabashed apostle of the Communist cause, the NCC has today recast itself as a leading representative of the so-called religious Left. Adhering to what it has described as "liberation theology"--that is, Marxist ideology disguised as Christianity--the NCC lays claim to a membership of 36 Protestant, Anglican and Orthodox Christian denominations, and some 50 million members in over 140,000 congregations.

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the NCC has soft-pedaled its radical message, dressing up its demands for global collectivization and its rejection of democratic capitalism in the garb of religious teachings. Yet the organization's history suggests that it was--and remains--a devout backer of a gallery of socialist governments. In the 1950s and 1960s, under cover of charity, the NCC provided financial succor to the Communist regimes in Yugoslavia and Poland, funneling money to both through its relief agency, the Church World Service. In the 1970s, working with its Geneva-based parent organization, the World Council of Churches, the NCC supplied financial support for Soviet-sponsored incursions into Africa, aiding the terrorist rampages of Communist guerillas in Zimbabwe, Namibia, Mozambique, and Angola.

Much more... FULL STORY HERE

Wikipedia on Christian Communism-

Christian communism is a form of religious communism based on Christianity. It is a theological and political theory based upon the view that the teachings of Jesus Christ compel Christians to support communism as the ideal social system. Although there is no universal agreement on the exact date when Christian communism was founded, many Christian communists assert that evidence from the Bible suggests that the first Christians, including the Apostles, created their own small communist society in the years following Jesus' death and resurrection. As such, many advocates of Christian communism argue that it was taught by Jesus and practiced by the Apostles themselves.

Christian communism can be seen as a radical form of Christian socialism. Christian communists may or may not agree with various parts of Marxism. They certainly do not agree with the atheistic views often held up as representative of most Marxists, but do agree with at least some of the economic aspects of Marxist theory, such as the idea that capitalism exploits the working class by extracting surplus value from the workers in the form of profits. Christian communists also share some of the political goals of Marxists, for example replacing capitalism with socialism, which should in turn be followed by communism at a later point in the future. However, Christian communists sometimes disagree with Marxists (and particularly with Leninists) on the way a socialist or communist society should be organized. In general, Christian communism evolved independently of Marxism, and most Christian communists share the conclusions but not the underlying premises of Marxist communists.


Blogger Otter said...

"a theological and political theory based upon the view that the teachings of Jesus Christ compel Christians to support communism as the ideal social system."

for once we agree on this Red. good job. *wink*

but keep in mind they are talking about communism. not the "communism" of the Soviet Union, China or North Korea. you know as well as i do that the social systems of these governments were not communism. they liked to use that word but they won't. i will say it until i am purple in the face.

in communism, everything is produced and owned and used by everyone. in those countries, everything was owned by the government, who told their people who would do the producing and who would reap the benefits.

As the Wiki article suggests there is evidence that the 1st Christians, including the Apostles were communists in that respect.

11:21 PM  
Blogger Red S Tater said...

I know, I know... every communist claims his brand of communism is totally different from those "other guys" but somehow they all end up exactly the same.

11:39 PM  
Blogger Otter said...

right. they all end up exactly the same.

that it is why communism is a theory and could never be properly put into practice and could never work.

so we are stuck with working within the current social system.

12:36 AM  
Blogger Red S Tater said...

Actually communism is more than just a theory... it has been put into practice numerous times over and over and over and has failed every single time to the point that each communist country cannot exist without conquering neighboring countries for their resources.

It only works on paper and in the minds of people bent on making it work for their benefit.

Free enterprise and capitalism work fine until socialized government taxation and regulation drag it down.

Compare the free countries of the world to the oppressed communist countries in terms of business growth and personal growth of individuals.

Heck... the word individual doesn't exist in communism.

9:22 AM  
Blogger Keith Giles said...

What I want to ask is this - In the world today the Christian faith is growing rapidly - not in America, but in China, South Korea, the Middle East, etc. So, when someone receives Christ in one of these nations do they also become a Conservative? Or a Republican? Or a Capitalist?

I want people to try to understand their call to follow Jesus apart from a political agenda.

That is my prayer.

Too often we know more about our political party than we do about the Gospel of the Kingdom or the Word of God.

We are called to follow Jesus, not Rush Limbaugh.

We are called to put our hope in the Gospel, not in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution of the United States.

We are called to advance the message of the Gospel, not political rhetoric.

I am not a Christian Leftist or a member of the Christian Right. Why? Because those are largely politicized groups that seek a political solution to society's problems.

There is no political solution to society's problems.

As a follower of Jesus I am committed to the Gospel of Jesus. That is the one and only hope for mankind.

10:51 AM  
Blogger Red S Tater said...

You asked- "In the world today the Christian faith is growing rapidly - not in America, but in China, South Korea, the Middle East, etc. So, when someone receives Christ in one of these nations do they also become a Conservative? Or a Republican? Or a Capitalist?"

Only if they are smart and want to continue being able to freely express their religious beliefs... then yes they should probably look into conservative policies and consider the alternative which if you look at countries that are lefitst... you don't see many Christians and those who are there are persecuted. So, to answer your question... yes if they want to continue being a Christian then they should oppose those who seek to "destroy the Christian subculture".

Okay.. so vote for Jesus in the next election he is running in... I will too... but until then you're gonna have to choose a Republican or Democrat (or Independent) and I suggest you (and your followers) involve yourselves in politics or get run over by a train called the political left.

11:05 AM  
Blogger Keith Giles said...

My point is that there are millions of Christian brothers and sisters in the World who love Jesus, suffer for their faith, are filled with the Holy Spirit and they are not conservatives or capitalists or Republicans.

Are they still followers of Christ?

Yes, they are.


Because their political opinions do not in any way influence their relationship with Christ or their obedience to Him.

Do you really understand what the Gospel is, Red? Can you communicate it apart from your political views? Are you seeking first the Kingdom of God? Or are you a believer in "Jesus plus" a poitical view, or an additional philosophy.

Jesus was not a Capitalist. Nor was he a Communist. Jesus was obedient, heart and soul, to God Almighty.

I pray that we, as followers of Jesus in America, can begin to follow Jesus without all baggage.

11:11 AM  
Blogger Red S Tater said...

And you believe that by "destroying the Christian Subculture" you can accomplish this?

Keith... this is a political blog, where do you think you are, of course politics is discussed.

My political beliefs are based on my religious upbringing, experience and common sense... I hope yours are too.

My religious beliefs are based on faith. I was raised, saved and baptized Baptist and believe there is only one way to salvation. I believe that when I vote or participate in politics my beliefs are my best guideline... not polls.

Now, not standing up for my religious beliefs in the political arena would be hypocritical at best.

Not standing up for my country would also be wrong. I believe God has smiled on America... I believe he "gets it"... I don't believe we must abandon America to follow God.

So, instead of hating ("I've come to the conclusion that the Christian Subculture is evil. I want to destroy it. I want to choke the life out of it and watch it die. I want to strip the skin from its bones, shake the life out of it and break it into tiny pieces.")
and criticizing traditional Christianity and calling it "evil", (or subverting it as you put it) in order to advance your version, why not just speak to the virtues of your beliefs and leave the Christian right subculture and/or left out of it... I mean if your interpretation is really that much better.

Seriously... why do you need to "destroy" anything in order to build your following?

1:17 PM  

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