Wednesday, January 28, 2009

Government Can't Handle Running Post Office, Much Less Auto, Banking and Healthcare Industries

The United States Postal Service wants to cut back delivery to only 5 days per week citing budget problems. Shocking (not).

So, if you like the way the government has handled running the post office (zzzzz) and drivers license departments (zzzzz), and VA hospitals (zzzzzz) then you're gonna love our new government controlled auto industry and healthcare industry.

Learn this phrase.... "take a number" or better yet... "sorry closed".



Blogger Otter said...

I would (oddly enough) have to agree with you. I don't really care for the government controlling any industry. They have proven themselves incompetent too many times.

11:32 PM  
Blogger Red S Tater said...

Say What?

That makes no sense at all otter... you support the party and the man that promotes socialism and government takeover of virtually every industry... then say "I don't really care for the government controlling ANY industry.

I'm confused... or else you are.

Perhaps we need a government program to settle this for us.

9:53 AM  
Blogger Otter said... Red I am not confused.

Where do you get the idea that I support Barack Obama.

I do not wish him any harm and I hope his policies do not turn this country into a bigger piece of crap than it has already become. I have mentioned several fact, several times specifically to you.....I will say this a little louder so you understand it.....


When it came down to it, I did not support him in the Presidential election. I do not support the Democratic Party. I am not a registered Democrat (heck for that matter I'm not a registered Republican either).

No confusion here at all. It makes perfect sense. I don't trust the government to run ANYTHING.

11:47 PM  
Blogger Red S Tater said...

I thought you were a Hillary supporter during the primaries.... did I misunderstand your position?

Either way, if you don't like big government running everything then one could conclude that you need to start supporting conservatives.

9:15 AM  
Blogger Red S Tater said...

okay... you asked, "Red where do you get the idea that I support Barack Obama?"

okay... after a quick stop over at your blog... it took about 5 seconds to find this jewell.

"Let us all stand together and get behind our new President."

uhhh that sounds a lot like "support" to me otter... and your critique of his presidential address speech... you used such non supportive comments as...

"Amen Mr. President"... and Amen again...

I have only seen mostly criticism of conservatives from Rush to Bush to me at your blog otter and mostly praise for democrats and liberals.
You condemn Limbaugh and let George Soros and the Hollywood kooks off the hook... gee I don't know where in the world I got the idea that you were a lefty liberal.

my bad.

9:26 AM  
Blogger Otter said...

Oh let me get this straight.

I did not support him in the election. I support him now as President because I don't want our country to turn into a bigger pile of cow dung. Some of the things he said in his inaugural speech I agreed with, hence the Amen statements.

As to your previous comment, no I was never a supporter of Hillary.

I do not support conservatives or liberals because I don't really care 100% for either of their agendas.

Next....yes I criticize Rush because he is a hypocrite and (in my opinion) an idiot shock jock, nothing more. I critized Bush because I did not agree with his policies. Trust me, I will criticize Obama for his policies when the time comes...and I think the time is coming soon.
I criticize you because I disagree with a lot of what you say. Every once in a while I agree with you though.

However, George Soros? I have no idea who the man is so...letting him off the hook? I'm not sure how that is possible.

I do not consider myself a liberal by the way. My views do lean a little toward the left but I would have to say slightly left of center. But I would not use the word liberal to define myself.

12:22 PM  
Blogger Red S Tater said...

hmmm, sounds to me like you are one of those "undecideds" we hear so much about.

Okay.. in my opinion those "slightly to the left of center" enable those far to the left... much the same way those like John McCain who are "slightly to the right" also enable those far to the left... which resulted in democrats being elected.

If Republicans ever want to win another election... they need to demonstrate the differences between themselves and leftwing Democrats... not get into bed with them or try to out-democrat the Democrats.

I fail to see where your hatred for Rush Limbaugh comes from.
He tells it like he sees it... and as far as facts goes, he is right well over 99% of the time according to an independent research group.

12:53 PM  
Blogger Otter said...

Personally, I don't like him because he seems too biased for me. I don't necessarily "hate" him. I try not to "hate" anyone. I just don't respect him. I can't respect people that are so strongly biased that they don't care about other people's opinions.

As far as Republican/Democrat goes. I don't care for either one of them. I wish the country would wake up and realize there are other parties out there that they can choose from.

2:32 PM  
Blogger Red S Tater said...

wait a second... Rush is too biased for you but CNN selling Obama T-shirts isn't too bias? MSNBC's open support via Chris Matthews and Keith Olberman (claiming to be unbiased journalists) aren't too biased? The Daily Show's John Stewart, David Letterman, and SNL aren't too biased?

From the sound of it to me... you are more biased than you are willing to admit even too yourself.

I challenge you to listen to Rush each day for 1 week and tell me what he says that is so wrong....

Hey... I watched Alfranken's Air America show when it was on Sundance... before it got cancelled because it had NO audience, no support and no money because he was generally wrong, and was too biased while claiming to be non-biased and non-partisan... just before he ran for office as a partisan Democrat that is.

If you wanna talk about too biased... just turn on the news or read the NY times.

Rush doesn't lie to you and pretend to be not biased.. that is the difference, he is honest and they are not.

Sorry you don't dig honesty.

10:45 AM  
Blogger Otter said...

When did I ever say that those shows and CNN's selling of tee shirts isn't biased? You are putting words into my mouth again dude.

I do like honesty. I just don't care for hearing only one side of an arguement. How is that ME being biased?

12:20 PM  
Blogger Dave said...

I have listened to Limbaugh off and on since the Clinton administration, so I think it is safe to say that I am qualified to comment on the content of his show.

Rush is biased to the point conservative point of view and supply-side economic theory. He is not however a nutjob or hate monger (that would be Michael Savage). There is no difference between Limbaugh and Olberman or Franken. Both are commentators (none are journalists). Of the conservative talk show gang, the only one that could get away with calling himself a journalist is Bill O'Reilly (and at this point I don't think he would refer to himself as a journalist). Matthews is a tool. CNN is trying to make a buck off of a popular president. MSNBC is trying to be the anti-Fox News. NONE of them are trustworthy.

2:10 PM  
Blogger Dave said...

Well said Steve!

2:26 PM  
Blogger Red S Tater said...

Bravo dave... encore encore! Journalism is dead... which is why people like Rush Limbaugh (conservative) and Ed Schultz (progressive) are much needed and instead of everyone telling them to stifle it, they should be applauded for speaking... now, I don't think it's Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama's job to see to it the one or the other is silenced (fairness doctrine)

I also agree with Rush that bi-partisansim is phoney and weak and NOT good for the country (unless you favor a one party system).
Both sides should argue their side passionately and openly and let the one who convinces the most people that they are right win elections and pass bills.

Democrats don't need a single Republican vote to pass Obama's phoney stimulus bill they just want Republican votes to hide behind later and so Republicans can't use it against them in 2010.

If the bill is so good, then Dems should pass it without Republican support and show Americans Dem's were right and Republicans will never win another election in our lifetime.... but it's not and they know it.

Otter... when did you ever call out cnn, abc, nbc or msnbc for being biased?
musta' missed it.

2:35 PM  
Blogger Otter said...

The answer to your question is you did not miss it. I didn't. I never called Rush biased either until you asked me. @@

5:07 PM  
Blogger Red S Tater said...

Whatever Otter... listen, when (if) you finally form an opinion on where you actually stand on something, please by all means... let me know.

Until then, I'll just figure you are a lefty who's ashamed to own it.

You're not for Bush not for Obama not for Hillary, not for liberals not for conservatives, not for America, not against America...

I get it... you're Switzerland aren't you?

9:40 PM  
Blogger Otter said...

I have many opinions Red. You just choose to ignore them.

But you are straying off the subject. You are making crap up about me criticizing one biased media outlet and not another.

The point of that comment was......I never said anything about Rush being biased until YOU asked me...I will quote for you...

Your words: "I have seen only criticism of conservatives from Rush to Bush to me at your condemn Limbaugh..."

Please point out where I have specifically criticized or condemned Rush BEFORE this conversation. And you can't count the most recent posts entitled "What is a private citizen" and "Who Threw the First Punch?" Those were written as commentary regarding something he said and something that was said about him.

Again, your words: "I fail to see where your hatred for Rush Limbaugh comes from."

My response: "Personally, I don't like him because he seems too biased for me."

The whole point I am trying to make is that fact that you are making things up about me again.

I did not "call" any of those media outlets out on the biased opinions, you are right about that. But I never "called" out Rush Limbaugh on his biased opinions until YOU SPECIFICALLY asked why I "hate" him.

In any case, I will let you believe what you want to believe. You are apparently too hard headed to listen to any one else's opinion. And THAT Mr. S Tater is being biased.

12:13 AM  
Blogger Red S Tater said...

otter... I'm just giving you crap. What it's about doesn't really matter does it?

You don't have to like Rush Limbaugh... but you at some level know that he is no less and no more biased than the so-called non-biased news media as a whole.

I'll get serious for a second.
WE are all biased otter... we have pre-formed opinions about everything we know anything about. That is the nature of the human brain... it has trouble staying in neutral prefers to make a decision based on the info it has at the time.

I can say any word and your immediate reaction is either positive or negative first... if it's a little bit positive then curiosity will kick in... if it's a little bit negative then skepticism and disinterest kicks in.

This is why "branding" has become so important today... (no not the hot Iron in the fire kind).

The left and the media have successfully branded Rush as "extreme" with the average casual observer... while branding actual extremists like alGore as mainstream hero's.

Being a left leaning liberal democrat is easy today since the media spoon feeds support on a daily basis... no thinking is really required, just listen to the talking heads... they are everywhere from late night talk to daytime chat to your national and even local news. They copy the UP and NY Times word for word without questioning it and feed it to the masses... then call it "journalism".

There are but a few alternatives to the overwhelming majority of leftist agenda news media.
Fox news is the ONLY news outlet that presents both sides and therefore is accused of being biased to the

Compared to the extreme left leaning media... when one tries to be fair and balanced of course it appears they are the ones out of phase when in fact they are the only one trying to still be fair.

It's sad. It's a tragedy it's wrong and it's bad for the country.

So... of course I'm biased otter... I NEVER claimed not to be (unlike CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, NY TImes, LA Times and virtually every other tv, cable and daily newspaper in America)

Yes I'm biased Otter... I favor America over the rest of the world, I trust Americans more than I trust the rest of the world and I favor the American system of government over the rest of the world.

Yes I'm biased Otter... honest too.

10:31 AM  
Blogger Otter said...

Okay, you make a very good arguement there. I have to agree. To some extend everyone is biased in their own way. Very good point.

Personally when it comes to the news media, I would like to hear both sides of the story. Both sides of the issue and form my own opinion based on what I have heard from both of those sides.

Personally, I favor God over and above any government. I don't trust government in general. I don't think, however, that that makes me a bad American and I don't think that means that I am "for" or "against" the country of which I am a citizen.

12:42 PM  
Blogger Red S Tater said...

Hey otter... I agree with you 100% on everything you just said.


2:11 PM  
Blogger Otter said...

scary thought, huh. :)

4:35 PM  
Blogger Red S Tater said...

... rethinking my position now.

nope, I still agree with ya'...

"I favor God over and above any government".

But that statement is in direct conflict with the philosophy of the Democrat party right down to the core.

If you truly believe that, then (in my opinion) you should be against everything that is the Democrat party.

They hate God seek to remove him from all aspects of our society... God gets in the way of their belief that all answers lie within the government not with God.

To quote a famous Democrat.... "in fear, they cling to their Guns and Bibles"... and he also said,
"Government is the ONLY answer, ONLY government can solve our problems".- BHO - 2008 and 2009

9:28 AM  
Blogger Dave said...

So ALL Democrats are against God, huh Red? I’m glad to know that.

Also if you hadn’t noticed, Steve (a.k.a. Otter) isn’t a Democrat.

Speaking of the Democrats…the correct name of the party is the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party.

Your earlier point about humans and bias is a very good one (I’m working on a post on my blog on that topic).

Back to your gross misconception about Democrats and God… To use blanket statements like “They hate God seek to remove him from all aspects of our society... God gets in the way of their belief that all answers lie within the government not with God” is inane and simply untrue. Are there extremists who think like that? Sure. Do they represent ALL Democrats? Hell no. Do extremist conservatives represent ALL Republicans? Again, hell no and to think otherwise is folly.

Yet again Red, your points are lots in your mud. Clean it up and may actually get some liberals to agree with you.

9:47 AM  
Blogger Otter said...

ok Red, I'm going to say this...again...for the eleventeenth time...

i do not support the Democratic Party....i agree with "some" of their positions...i also agree with "some" of the positions of the Republican Party....i consider myself an independent however because I do not believe that either party is good for our country.

And for the record I thought that quote that Obama made was pretty ignorant.

9:54 AM  
Blogger Red S Tater said...

Otter... I didn't say you were a Democrat(ic).. now you are putting words in MY keypad boys.

I said they were directly opposed to the things you had just said.. especially regarding God and government... and if anything YOU (according to many of your statements) should be leading the way to defeat Democrat(ics).

And dave if you will check the record please, which political party (as a whole) has worked to remove the word GOD from the public square and which political party has defended keeping the word GOD anywhere the people choose to place it... including courthouses and on money?
Refresh my memory.... oh yes it was the Democrat(ic) party... hmmm

Who was it that said "government is the only answer to our problems" and who was it that said "Government isn't the solution to our problems, government IS the problem".

Gee I wonder where I could have gotten the crazy idea that it was Democrats and liberals (show me a liberal conservative) who hate God and love government.

Silly red.

10:31 AM  
Blogger Red S Tater said...

And please.. for the record, which political party is at odds with the Catholic church over that political party's assertion that the government (more specifically Barack Obama Himself) is better equipped to determine what is a human life than God, the church and the people are and thereby rejects the right to live to the unborn and even the accidentally born.

So how could anyone come to the conclusion that Democrat(ics) hate religion and God?

The question is... how could anyone come to any OTHER conclusion?

10:38 AM  
Blogger Otter said...

"...didn't say you were a Democrat.."

Okay, my bad. I assumed you were.

"you..should be leading the way to defeat Democrats.."

I am not sure I understand why. I do not go out of my way to defeat any political party in and of itself. There are certain tenets of the Democratic platform I support. There are some that I oppose. There are also certain tenets of the Republican platform I support. And also some I oppose. So to go all out against one of these honestly does not make any sense to me. I prefer to stay independent and speak out against the parties collectively. Does that make any sense? It does to me...sort of.

I consider myself somewhat liberal on some issues and somewhat conservative on others. But I love God. I don't necessarily love government. It is a necessary evil (for lack of a better term).

However.....I would have to side with you on this one Red. In my opinion, the Democratic Party (in general) seems to be the one that has sides against organized religion more so than the Republican Party (again in general). The Democratic Party (again in general) supports a pro-choice attitude while the church obviously does not. However, at the same time, the Democratic Party, more so than the Republican Party (once again, in general) supports a platform of social justice which does come in line with the teachings of Christ.

From my viewpoint (and let me point out that this is my opinion based on what I have observed) it seems that Republicans have less of a social conscience than Democrats do.

So while I do disagree with many of the planks of the Democratic platform, I support them whole heartedly on their platform of social justice.

12:21 AM  
Blogger Red S Tater said...

I totally understand where you're coming from otter... and if the Democrats actually delivered on any of their sales pitches to help the poor and achieve "social justice" then I might agree... to a point. BUT looking at history (actual history not revised history), the Democrat(ic) party has kept the poor.. poor. You know the saying...

Give a man a fish and he'll be back tomorrow for another fish... and the day after too, but teach a man to fish and he'll not only feed himself and his family, but given the opportunity to benefit from his efforts and build a future for his family, he will catch enough fish to feed the entire town or more.

I don't believe for a single second that the government... any government, can do a better job of applying a "social conscience" to society than society itself... since we the people ARE the government (at least we were supposed to be), social program and policy should come FROM we the people and NOT the other way around.

Democrats play the race card at every opportunity and sometimes even without an opportunity yet have done very little (less than the Republican party in fact) to help African Americans.

I think Michael Steele might be able to reach some minorities because he knows how to communicate effectively exactly how minorities have been "played" by the Democrat(ic) party for generations...

Great visiting with ya' otter... stop by often.

9:49 AM  
Blogger Dave said...

I agree that Steele is a great choice for to lead the GOP. I will take your anti-Democratic Party one step further… I don’t think that either party really cares for helping anyone other than themselves.

9:51 AM  

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