
I think we can make this short, (but I've said that before...).
I have no problem admitting when I am wrong....

Note: The IBC Iraq Body Count group is a leftwing Bush hating service that hangs every possible death in Iraq on Bush's head. General Petraeus is in charge of all military operations in Iraq.
Most rational people can look at the two images above and draw their own conclusion about who is right and who is the liberal politician... verify the 45% comment, discount the rise in violence claim and are finished with this exercise, but not the anti-American left and Bush hating moonbats... this might take a little while for them.
Please to enjoy...
This one goes out to all the Okie Funksters, Sooner Thoughtlesses, moveon.orgers, Daily Kooks, Airheads, moonbats and all the rest of you Bush hating Anti-American wacko's out there in various parallel universes.
I'm not going to try and prove to the people out there that already know thesw facts, I'm going to prove it to the only people that seem to matter in this case... and I'm not even going to prove it to them actually... they are going to prove it to themselves.
Okay, enough stalling... on with the presentation given directly to YOU (anti-war Democrats and other assorted moonbats who believe General Petraeus "cooked the books") that YOU are in fact biased AGAINST America. i.e Anti-American, unpatriotic.
First the simple rules: To qualify and participate, you must agree with the following.
Fact- America is at war in Iraq. (Illegal, immoral, just, unjust, whatever). War.

Okay, (lol) if you made it through that... congratulations, at least you read headlines and have an opinion...and questions.
Next: The "
surge" must be either working or not working or have no impact. -
yes?
Fantastic, if you made it this far, you know who moveon.org or the NY Times is....
If the surge is not working and the US is not winning... then casualty numbers would support that. Anti war liberals have USED casualties (particularly "civilian" and US Military casualties) to judge the success (or lack thereof), so then increased civilian deaths and/or increased US casualties would verify or refute one side or the other-
yes?.

If we are going to question General Petraeus and the US Government numbers and analysis (which we have) then we
must question moveon.org's numbers and analysis.-
Yes?Uh-oh, okay, just to make it fair and easy, how about using the numbers collected and analyzed by a fair and balanced registered Democrat liberal research professor to check
both Petraeus AND moveon.org/Democrats...
Yes?
Now, this is the part where most of you just proved my point and failed the test.
How many of you answered "
no" to the above questions and refuse to question moveon.orgs claims?
You just failed and proved you are anti-American, but if you are still here, please read on, you might learn something about yourself and/or prove me wrong in the process.
The Petreaus numbers ARE the official American numbers and the moveon.org numbers are the official anti-American numbers. To accept the anti-American numbers and discounting all other data that refutes those Anti American numbers is... well, anti-American. Your hatred for George Bush has in fact become hatred for America.
Next point...
If moveon.org and Democrats like Hillary Clinton are right and the surge is NOT WORKING, then conversely Al Qaeda should be continually more successful at killing more civilians (and US troops) and inciting civil war (Shiite/Sunni violence), also...if the surge is not working, there should be more American casualties especially considering there are 30,000+ more Americans in Iraq to be killed by Al Qaeda (or others). If the surge is not working then we are not winning the "hearts and minds", local Iraqis are probably fighting against the Americans and not with the Americans. -
yes?Excellent-a-mundo,
"look at the brain on you", ...if you made it this far, there is hope for you.
If you haven't already proven my point by failing somewhere above (and long ago went running back to safer moonbat webhavens), please advance... you made it through to the
FINAL round.
Ready to prove to yourself without a doubt that you are not anti-American(or the opposite)?
All you have to do is Click on the links below and read them completely. (and of course do your own research, which I encourage you to do as well) then we'll discuss who is the liar.
Research Professor Proves
Petraeus Report Accurate and Moveon.org Cooked the Books.
OR if you prefer (I'm all about Choice)... a more recent post (today!)...
Hillary Clinton is Cooking The Books.Professor Engram demonstrates (as I have pointed out in previous posts) that in FACT civilian casualties are down as a result of the surge and that local Shiite are working with US troops to defeat Al Qaeda which has pointed to September 2007 as their "all or nothing" strategy to drive Americans out of Iraq and that US casualties are in fact down as well while Al Qaeda deaths went up dramatically in the months leading up to the advertised "surge" and data shows Al Qaeda is now running out of martyrs.
In other words, Petreaus is right.
There are other places to get similar analysis, but the above links should both have credibility with you since they are linked to a liberal Democrat research professor and all.
I'm not demanding you believe the data, just testing to see if you can even consider the data (which are facts based on data supplied by anti-Bush groups...by the way).
If you indeed are NOT anti-American, then you had no problem clicking and looking at Professor Engram's pro-American progress report and analysis on the surge in Iraq and should have in fact enjoyed reading it.
Were you able to take even a few minutes, (much less time than you've spent proving otherwise), able to take a few minutes and consider that Petraeus was dead-on accurate right and moveon.org is completely wrong and that your country is doing a noble thing and winning?
If not, you just proved beyond all doubt that you are in fact against i.e "anti" America (not just against Bush) and therefore Anti-American by rejecting before seeing information (data not opinion) that is pro-American and confirms success (refutes your view) in Iraq.
If you clicked on the link and when you saw what you thought was rightwing neocon propaganda, and you left as fast as you could, deleted your browser history, ...then you managed to prove you are anti-American to the point of calling a liberal Democrat research professor ... right wing(lol) simply because he refuted your lies... and paranoid.
Football analogy: If week in and week out I only posted and believed stories from each of the opposing teams the Sooners play (or OSU) and only considered their view as valid and NOT the Sooners (or OSU) home team reporting (which I'm not) . If I called the OU (or OSU) coaches liars, corrupt and the players uneducated criminals and thugs (which I'm not), then would YOU under this false scenario consider me... anti-sooner(or cowboy)? How about if I used these lies and insults to encourage all college students and administrators to end their sports programs?(which of course I'm not-I LOVE college sports) Would you consider me anti-football?
- Yes?.
Now I can already hear you screaming, "WHAT ABOUT YOU", red?
When do conservatives consider that they may be wrong and "does that make them unAmerican"?
Thats an easy one... I (we conservatives) already do (on a regular basis) take the time to consider your claims (and that we may be wrong), we are forced to constantly consider it by the constant barrage in the media... there is a long, long long list of "phoney" things you have forced us to consider valid and truth...such as,
We all were forced to considered if Bush stole the 2000 election, we did considerable research on both sides and found out that was a "phoney" story and smear campaign and in fact one of the primary stories came from a phoney journalist David Podvin (not a real person)...
We considered if Bush was involved in the 9/11 attacks and Popular Mechanics among others demonstrated that was a phoney claim and smear campaign...
We all considered if Bush had a secret draft planned if re-elected in 2004, "Vote or Die" but it was a phoney claim,
We were forced to consider if Bush lied about WMD and found he wasn't lying but was simply wrong about the amount of material that would be found... but if he did lie, then so did every other leader of every other country, most Democrats included and... including Saddam who turned out to be the ultimate lying moron! Besides you know very well that even if we found complete nuclear bombs in Iraq with Saddam's picture on them, YOU would have been the first (or second) ones claiming Bush planted them there and that is the truth.
The list goes on and on, the rest of us hear and consider your information presented in dozens of ways on hundreds of newspaper, radio, tv and thousands of internet sources and are forced to consider it on a daily, no... hourly basis if you watch cable news.
How about General Betray Us? We were forced to consider that the top General in our military is a traitor...(some of you still falsely claim he did) and found out moveon.org was the ones who "cooked the books" in their hit piece (no apology or admission of error) and yet, you still won't admit it in the face of the facts on the ground and with their own numbers, you won't consider.... the truth... unless it fits your hatred template/filter first.
We were forced to consider if Bill O'Reilly is a racist with your claims that he was ... then we considered the FACT that two leading African American men FROM THE LEFT were with him and have BOTH said "NO", not racist at all. (no apology or admission of error)
We know you claimed you had evidence of a real war hero named Jesse Macbeth who had turned against the evil killing machine... and we were forced to consider that our troops were doing such things as Macbeth claimed, but of course we found out that... he was phoney, never was in Afghanistan or Iraq, never got a purple heart, never even got out of boot camp and yet you still refuse to consider the plain simple truth EVEN when presented with it directly. No apology to the military, then use Macbeth again against Rush Limbaugh... to try and turn the troops against conservatives.

YET, YOU (moonbats) won't consider for one second that moveon.org is wrong and Petreaus is right?
Dead-on PROOF of how much you hate America (as it exists today, controlled by Bush).
Your 2000 Bush Derangement Disorder causes you to hate Bush's America... which is America you dolts.
The rest of us are forced to consider YOUR constant barrage of propaganda and lies day after day... and it's about time YOU considered this fact... YOUR HATRED IS DESTROYING YOU and the rest of us are NOT willing to let you take the entire country down with you.
It's time you faced the truth about yourself and possibly considered rethinking your position or else embrace (and stop denying) your anti-American bias and hatred for all things Bush including America.
Thank you and congratulations to those who actually went to Engrams Back Talk and thoroughly read his analysis and data reporting. Even if you disagree with his final analysis at least you know the numbers and the rest of the story. If so, then you must also have questions about the methods of the left, if so, there is hope, maybe I was wrong.
That makes twice.
(the other time was when I said I would keep it short)
-red stater much long winded.
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